Poll: National Players' Club Availabilit

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Should players in national squads be able to play for their regular club while on national duty?

Yes
5
12%
No
34
79%
Unsure/no opinion
4
9%
 
Total votes: 43

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Re: Poll: National Players' Club Availabilit

Post by GA-PowerBug » Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:56 am

MOD-MrMoose wrote:
Mon Jul 14, 2025 1:21 am
If anything it would be the cup game the week before the tour that the player should miss. (If they’re going to miss any cup games to be aligned with reality) No one’s playing a club match in New Zealand then playing a national tournament the next day in England.
I think this is the one which makes the most sense as it aligns with the suitcase icon. That appears on the Sunday before the tour starts but is gone on the sunday after the tour.
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Re: Poll: National Players' Club Availabilit

Post by boscorp » Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:06 am

GA-PowerBug wrote:
Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:56 am
MOD-MrMoose wrote:
Mon Jul 14, 2025 1:21 am
If anything it would be the cup game the week before the tour that the player should miss. (If they’re going to miss any cup games to be aligned with reality) No one’s playing a club match in New Zealand then playing a national tournament the next day in England.
I think this is the one which makes the most sense as it aligns with the suitcase icon. That appears on the Sunday before the tour starts but is gone on the sunday after the tour.
I gotta agree with you there. Just this tour on now I see some played both their MKMC match and day1 tour match on the one day. Not even a day apart. :thumbsdown
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Re: Poll: National Players' Club Availabilit

Post by Muff » Tue Jul 15, 2025 8:14 pm

I kind of like the disruption it throws into the middle of the cup. But doesn't that lead to more 31-32yr old's being required to win the tournament.

Round 4 is fine for them to tour, its nice being able throw out the NATS to absorb fatigue but its not going to heavily impact the end result.
But Round 7 & Round 10 is the thick of the tournament and only further ages out the players required to win, and the winner becomes the team that has the best ability to buy older players at that point of the cup.

It may have a positive impact on the price of the oldies on the transfer market at mid season, but reduces the desirability for academy focused teams.
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Re: Poll: National Players' Club Availabilit

Post by Muff » Tue Jul 15, 2025 8:17 pm

boscorp wrote:
Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:06 am
GA-PowerBug wrote:
Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:56 am
MOD-MrMoose wrote:
Mon Jul 14, 2025 1:21 am
If anything it would be the cup game the week before the tour that the player should miss. (If they’re going to miss any cup games to be aligned with reality) No one’s playing a club match in New Zealand then playing a national tournament the next day in England.
I think this is the one which makes the most sense as it aligns with the suitcase icon. That appears on the Sunday before the tour starts but is gone on the sunday after the tour.
I gotta agree with you there. Just this tour on now I see some played both their MKMC match and day1 tour match on the one day. Not even a day apart. :thumbsdown
It would be silly not to take advantage of fatigue management opportunities during the hardest point for teams to manage fatigue.
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Re: Poll: National Players' Club Availabilit

Post by boscorp » Wed Jul 16, 2025 12:13 am

It would be interesting to see. Some would go for the older 31 and 32 yr olds and others for the up-and-coming younger players, the 27 and 28 yr olds. It no doubt would have an impact on those clubs with multiple National players competing for the Cup.
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Re: Poll: National Players' Club Availabilit

Post by Muff » Wed Jul 16, 2025 2:37 am

boscorp wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 12:13 am
It would be interesting to see. Some would go for the older 31 and 32 yr olds and others for the up-and-coming younger players, the 27 and 28 yr olds. It no doubt would have an impact on those clubs with multiple National players competing for the Cup.
The up and coming players don't win the last 4 rounds
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Re: Poll: National Players' Club Availabilit

Post by boscorp » Wed Jul 16, 2025 2:49 am

Muff wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 2:37 am
boscorp wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 12:13 am
It would be interesting to see. Some would go for the older 31 and 32 yr olds and others for the up-and-coming younger players, the 27 and 28 yr olds. It no doubt would have an impact on those clubs with multiple National players competing for the Cup.
The up and coming players don't win the last 4 rounds
They might start to then, It's good experience for them and there are some really good players coming through by that age that probably play equal to or better than the 32 yr olds. I think there are plenty of class players that don't tour that could do with the experience.
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Re: Poll: National Players' Club Availabilit

Post by Muff » Wed Jul 16, 2025 3:28 am

boscorp wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 2:49 am
Muff wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 2:37 am
boscorp wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 12:13 am
It would be interesting to see. Some would go for the older 31 and 32 yr olds and others for the up-and-coming younger players, the 27 and 28 yr olds. It no doubt would have an impact on those clubs with multiple National players competing for the Cup.
The up and coming players don't win the last 4 rounds
They might start to then, It's good experience for them and there are some really good players coming through by that age that probably play equal to or better than the 32 yr olds. I think there are plenty of class players that don't tour that could do with the experience.
I've been doing it for 62 seasons, i had one win in season 17 with a young team but the whole game has changed since then.
You can definitely get to rounds 5,6,7 consistently but from then on you need to buy the veterans to go deep. This would only further emphasize that disparity.

The difference of spectacular experience vs legendary experience can definitely be felt. It is a skill multiplier after all.
You only have to see the last seasons semifinal teams to see how many WC/Elite/Legendary experienced players there were.

The only counter to it would be to take a team from 16 or 21 right the way through and give them first team reps at a very young age which would mean a lot of losing to make work. But even then you are only further priming them for Nat selection and come into the same issue.

Ultimately the Cup is an old mans game. And if you have the money to spend then you will win it.
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Re: Poll: National Players' Club Availabilit

Post by Mike778 » Sat Jul 19, 2025 12:11 pm

Read on another thread that managers have option to request player is left out but the NT manager can just ignore it. Maybe answer is to make that binding - managers can essentially retire a player from NT.

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Re: Poll: National Players' Club Availabilit

Post by wolfberries » Sun Jul 20, 2025 10:18 am

Muff wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 2:37 am
boscorp wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 12:13 am
It would be interesting to see. Some would go for the older 31 and 32 yr olds and others for the up-and-coming younger players, the 27 and 28 yr olds. It no doubt would have an impact on those clubs with multiple National players competing for the Cup.
The up and coming players don't win the last 4 rounds

Especially when you consider experience only increases a player's worth for every pop, so one of the up and coming players can play be no better because of experience near the end of a season despite playing many games that year!

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Re: Poll: National Players' Club Availabilit

Post by Atko » Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:18 am

wolfberries wrote:
Sun Jul 20, 2025 10:18 am

...Especially when you consider experience only increases a player's worth for every pop, so one of the up and coming players can play be no better because of experience near the end of a season despite playing many games that year!
Eh? :shock:

I did not know that - so xp does NOT have sub-levels?
(or am I misunderstanding?)

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Re: Poll: National Players' Club Availabilit

Post by wolfberries » Wed Jul 23, 2025 12:32 pm

Atko wrote:
Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:18 am
Eh? :shock:

I did not know that - so xp does NOT have sub-levels?
(or am I misunderstanding?)
You got it right.

Tell me about it :lol:

This shocked me even more than when I heard about fielding being similar!
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Re: Poll: National Players' Club Availabilit

Post by MOD-quirkilyalive » Sun Aug 03, 2025 7:52 pm

fielding works in half-levels. increases each week, but game calc differentiates the level at each 500 points

exp is differentiated by the game calc at each 1000 points.
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Re: Poll: National Players' Club Availabilit

Post by GM-crowfan65 » Mon Aug 04, 2025 12:18 am

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Re: Poll: National Players' Club Availabilit

Post by GA-PowerBug » Mon Aug 04, 2025 6:40 am

Atko wrote:
Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:18 am
wolfberries wrote:
Sun Jul 20, 2025 10:18 am

...Especially when you consider experience only increases a player's worth for every pop, so one of the up and coming players can play be no better because of experience near the end of a season despite playing many games that year!
Eh? :shock:

I did not know that - so xp does NOT have sub-levels?
(or am I misunderstanding?)
It has sublevels, but the sublevels are ignored in any calculations.
MOD-quirkilyalive wrote:
Sun Aug 03, 2025 7:52 pm
fielding works in half-levels. increases each week, but game calc differentiates the level at each 500 points

exp is differentiated by the game calc at each 1000 points.
And I believe it was clarified that this was about fielding summary (ie. including tech, experience, power, form), not fielding skill.
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