The YP thread

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Re: The YP thread

Post by ddraig » Thu May 06, 2021 11:02 am

For reference, I've got a less good but similarly distributed player, that I intend to train using that method. Be interesting to see how they compare in a few seasons time, I'd definitely like that prodigy talent instead of my safe hands though ;)

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Player Info
16y5w | 24,775 rating | $881 wage (5% discount)

Right hand batsman | Right arm Finger spin

Talents Old Ball Bowler, Safe Hands
Nationality Scotland Scotland
Form reasonable
Fatigue rested
Experience dreadful
Captaincy accomplished
Skills Summary
Batsman ordinary
Bowler poor
Keeper poor
Allrounder poor
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Skills
Batting reasonable Endurance average
Bowling ordinary Technique poor
Keeping poor Power ordinary
Fielding ordinary

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Re: The YP thread

Post by GM-crowfan65 » Thu May 06, 2021 11:15 am

Absolute waste trying to make him into a bowler or AR
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Re: The YP thread

Post by ddraig » Thu May 06, 2021 2:10 pm

I wouldn't say that, all rounders make a massive difference in the seniors, and that guy could definitely train to be a very good all rounder. He wouldn't need as much power training as he would as a pure batsman, and that lack of power would set him back as a batsman in the early seniors. As a spinner it wouldn't matter quite as much, and batting in the mid to tail he'd be able to pick up a few runs.

Horses for courses though.

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Re: The YP thread

Post by Martymac » Fri May 07, 2021 9:33 pm

Lewis McNamara looks ok too ddraig, finger spinners with the old ball talent can destroy teams late in games, I had one in my first team for about 10 or 11 seasons and he won me many games over the years and ended up in my hall of fame as one of the best players I ever had. The safe hands skill is also a bonus as players that can hold onto the pill when it comes their way can be the difference between a win and a loss at the top level. The fact he is also an accomplished captain is another great skill he has which could give him the edge over players of a similar standard when it comes to assembling a squad. Personally I’d be working on his fielding and then bowling or bowling technique as required, his batting is already good enough as a lower order player and that will continue to get better as his technique improves. His experience would be my main concern as to whether or not he can make it to the top level so he would need plenty of games under his belt to improve that. Good luck with the boy, I’ll be keeping an eye out for him.
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Re: The YP thread

Post by Klauts » Sat May 08, 2021 3:22 am

Martymac wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:33 pm
Lewis McNamara looks ok too ddraig, finger spinners with the old ball talent can destroy teams late in games, I had one in my first team for about 10 or 11 seasons and he won me many games over the years and ended up in my hall of fame as one of the best players I ever had. The safe hands skill is also a bonus as players that can hold onto the pill when it comes their way can be the difference between a win and a loss at the top level. The fact he is also an accomplished captain is another great skill he has which could give him the edge over players of a similar standard when it comes to assembling a squad. Personally I’d be working on his fielding and then bowling or bowling technique as required, his batting is already good enough as a lower order player and that will continue to get better as his technique improves. His experience would be my main concern as to whether or not he can make it to the top level so he would need plenty of games under his belt to improve that. Good luck with the boy, I’ll be keeping an eye out for him.
Having said that , even if he is a week away from average bowling , is it worth training ? IMO you will be behind on technique and bowling instead of being able to fixate on one stat to repair.

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Re: The YP thread

Post by Martymac » Sat May 08, 2021 4:06 am

Klauts wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 3:22 am
Having said that , even if he is a week away from average bowling , is it worth training ? IMO you will be behind on technique and bowling instead of being able to fixate on one stat to repair.
I’d just be trying to make the absolute most of his given talent as an old ball bowler for the bonus it may provide during games, whether the boy is good enough to make it at the top level or not is yet to be determined but he could still be a very useful asset at club level.
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Re: The YP thread

Post by Klauts » Sat May 08, 2021 4:33 am

Ok but at the end of the day are you looking at his talent at the expense of his skills? Are you neglecting his ability to be a world class batsman , to be a spectacular bowler?

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Re: The YP thread

Post by GA-Jim » Sat May 08, 2021 7:04 am

My advice would be to go batsmen. Going from poor For an AR is crazy. I want atleast average in bowl and one of tech or batting to even think about it.
Just remember that you don’t have to follow the route the talent is. Sometimes they just have to be talentless to make the best of them
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Re: The YP thread

Post by ddraig » Mon May 10, 2021 7:06 am

I can't see McNamara in the youth u20s to be honest, he's not really good enough, but I'll see what I can do experience wise. He's going the allrounder route, so I think that might make the decision anyway ;)

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Re: The YP thread

Post by ddraig » Mon May 10, 2021 7:16 am

GA-Jim wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 7:04 am
My advice would be to go batsmen. Going from poor For an AR is crazy. I want atleast average in bowl and one of tech or batting to even think about it.
Just remember that you don’t have to follow the route the talent is. Sometimes they just have to be talentless to make the best of them
This is true, you don't have to follow the route of the talent.

I can't find anyone I've trained from poor to be an allrounder, but I've had a few train from ordinary, and they've been much more useful as senior fillers in their early 20s (and for the youth squad). I'll consider my training from poor as an experiment (McNamara had poor bowling, and dreadful technique, when I started), only time will tell how it turns out ;)

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Re: The YP thread

Post by ddraig » Mon May 10, 2021 8:04 am

Klauts wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 4:33 am
Ok but at the end of the day are you looking at his talent at the expense of his skills? Are you neglecting his ability to be a world class batsman , to be a spectacular bowler?
lol, world class batsman, the only way he'd get to that is if he was trained in just batting and I ignored most of his secondaries.

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Re: The YP thread

Post by Klauts » Mon May 10, 2021 8:13 am

ddraig wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 8:04 am
Klauts wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 4:33 am
Ok but at the end of the day are you looking at his talent at the expense of his skills? Are you neglecting his ability to be a world class batsman , to be a spectacular bowler?
lol, world class batsman, the only way he'd get to that is if he was trained in just batting and I ignored most of his secondaries.
Ever heard of summary champ? Never said primary world class.

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Re: The YP thread

Post by GM-crowfan65 » Mon May 10, 2021 8:20 am

ddraig wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 8:04 am
Klauts wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 4:33 am
Ok but at the end of the day are you looking at his talent at the expense of his skills? Are you neglecting his ability to be a world class batsman , to be a spectacular bowler?
lol, world class batsman, the only way he'd get to that is if he was trained in just batting and I ignored most of his secondaries.
Are we talking about the prodigy wmchamps posted
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Re: The YP thread

Post by Klauts » Mon May 10, 2021 8:33 am

No Lewis macnamara
See top of page.

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Re: The YP thread

Post by ddraig » Mon May 10, 2021 9:14 am

Klauts wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 8:13 am
ddraig wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 8:04 am
Klauts wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 4:33 am
Ok but at the end of the day are you looking at his talent at the expense of his skills? Are you neglecting his ability to be a world class batsman , to be a spectacular bowler?
lol, world class batsman, the only way he'd get to that is if he was trained in just batting and I ignored most of his secondaries.
Ever heard of summary champ? Never said primary world class.
That's pretty meaningless, and even Bannerman (who you've dissed many times) is a World Class Batsman when his form is higher!

By the way I didn't mention summary either, but I know what you meant and you know what I meant.

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