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Re: Cricket Discussion - WC and Beyond

Post by jabatito » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:32 pm

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In my views, NZ a better Test side than hot and cold Windies. Very good top order, a more than efficient seam bowling pool and decent fielding. A very challenging series for England even if they were able to pick their classic first XI including Jimmy. On the other hand, these tough matches can be a good test for first XI prospects.
Okay, okay, so scoring runs in CC does not count at Test level, though it did not precisely go that way for Labuschagne, did it?
I wonder if NZ will pick Neil Wagner who usually does very well on home soil with his bouncers' barrage....
Wow, looking back to my post back in September it was kind of premonitory for England and Wagner, right? And how about Laboosch?
More seriously, despite England lost by an innings, match was quite even during the first days; it was first BJ Watling and Grandhomme, and later BJ with Santner who really turned tides and completely wore out England. Positives: Good to the see new faces like Sibley and Pope, first innings display by top order and Stokes until the side imploded. Negatives: England keeps not knowing how to deliver for lengthy terms, seems like 80+ overs for them is an eternity whether bowling or batting. Roots looks quite lost at the minute. Curran is OK when playing at home but leaves the attack toothless when quicks get tired.
All in all, not many teams are able to beat NZ at home so hopefully things keep improving next Test which is quite close and seems the kiwis will not have Boult. I fear my post will be considered as totally irrelevant because it has no reference whatsoever to T10 :thumbsdown
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Re: Cricket Discussion - WC and Beyond

Post by Hellbound81 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:19 am

I just know Wolfie is going to blame all the England mercenaries for this failure, especially the mercenary Stokes who is back in his homeland... :think
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Re: Cricket Discussion - WC and Beyond

Post by Maddin » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:51 pm

It was men against boys, Jabs. Those Kiwis are tough, and they had a point to prove. Our guys don't know if they're muckling or mickling on a pitch like that :? I dare say they'll be Ok once they get to South Africa.

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Post by Maddin » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:54 pm

Curran did take some wickets. Unlike one of our bowlers :whip

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Post by Maddin » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:58 pm

Ed's going to have to give up Jos I think :cry:

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Post by wolfberries » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:10 pm

Hellbound81 wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:19 am
I just know Wolfie is going to blame all the England mercenaries for this failure, especially the mercenary Stokes who is back in his homeland... :think
Mercenary Stokes :lol: Who says you don't have a sense of humour :lol:

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Post by jabatito » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:12 pm

Maddin wrote:
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Curran did take some wickets. Unlike one of our bowlers :whip
Well, yes, Stu was slow at times. True that he kept it tight but his bowling became not challenging at all plus the kiwis knew it was him the one who they did not have to go for when they were backs against wall. But the batting slump was supreme from England for example in the 1st innings from quite a solid position, and though many fingers will point at Jos (for instance), no word on Root66? His 4th innings dismissal to a not very threatening bouncer from CDG was......well, I cannot actually define the shot he was aiming to play and it seemed like he neither had a clue. As soon as he played it, he almost did not wait until the fielder gathered the catch to start walking.
He is really talented but way out of form and even confidence one would say right now
They played quite decently during day 1 until the final session and had NZ against the ropes later on until BJ and CDG rescued them. Cricket is a tough mental game too, England had their chances during those 2 days but they completely signed off thereafter. The concerning bit is this is not the 1st, 2nd or 3rd time it happens recently
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Post by Hellbound81 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:44 am

Is no one saying anything about the 335* by David Warner ?

That is just an incredible knock and he has certainly worked hard to get to this point.
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Post by Maddin » Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:20 pm

Not really. It's not good to see former great Test teams struggling.

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Post by Maddin » Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:25 pm

Better from England today, Jabs :) Yet another bad advert for DRS though with the Burns run out. If it takes five minutes for the third umpire to make a decision (and they're under so much pressure they're basically guessing on many occasions) surely the batsman should get the benefit of the doubt? The commentators don't help when they say "we all know it's out" live on air - that's not helping the poor third umps!

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Post by fgrenyu843 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:27 pm

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Better from England today, Jabs :) Yet another bad advert for DRS though with the Burns run out. If it takes five minutes for the third umpire to make a decision (and they're under so much pressure they're basically guessing on many occasions) surely the batsman should get the benefit of the doubt? The commentators don't help when they say "we all know it's out" live on air - that's not helping the poor third umps!
There shouldn't be such a thing as benefit of the doubt. In any case, the issue was with the colour of the bails against the shirts but it was pretty clear it was out, the issue is that now too many umpires second guess themselves.
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Post by Maddin » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:37 pm

I know there shouldn't be any such thing but there always is. The technology isn't perfect and likely never will be. Issues such as there being a hot spot or snicko spike when the pictures show the ball has already passed the bat keep cropping up - there was one instance in this Test.

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Re: Cricket Discussion - WC and Beyond

Post by Maddin » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:40 pm

Remove the need for the third umps to have to guess and the situation would be a lot better.

Stopping the commentators chipping in with their thoughts - while the third ump is still looking at the evidence - would help.

I know they wouldn't like that - it would, in their words, be less entertaining :roll: - but tough imo :whip

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Post by fgrenyu843 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:42 pm

Maddin wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:40 pm
Remove the need for the third umps to have to guess and the situation would be a lot better.

Stopping the commentators chipping in with their thoughts - while the third ump is still looking at the evidence - would help.

I know they wouldn't like that - it would, in their words, be less entertaining :roll: - but tough imo :whip
Stopping the commentators wouldn't do a thing, the third umpire doesn't get that feed at all. After all, the commentators are there to comment. Fact is, if umpires weren't so incompetent then there wouldn't be a problem.
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Re: Cricket Discussion - WC and Beyond

Post by jabatito » Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:56 pm

Maddin wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:25 pm
Better from England today, Jabs :) Yet another bad advert for DRS though with the Burns run out. If it takes five minutes for the third umpire to make a decision (and they're under so much pressure they're basically guessing on many occasions) surely the batsman should get the benefit of the doubt? The commentators don't help when they say "we all know it's out" live on air - that's not helping the poor third umps!
Yes, Sir. Burns keeps looking the thing as opener for England which is great news and for a change, the batting line up (and on top Joe Root) did not mind eating up deliveries, overs with patience in order to amass a big total with the captain leading as he should. Well, it might not be relevant in the end since NZ have wickets in hand and the last day may be rain affected too but it's refreshing to see this. Test and ODI modes are completely different and we have witnessed this throughout this latest series once again.
On the DRS umpiring system, I think that what we fans expect it to be is simply perfect. And that is simply wrong.
DRS was initially designed (not only in cricket) to avoid the howlers, but then it is progressively extending to many other features and that in the end inevitably extends the error scope too. Okay so in Test cricket, a sporting discipline with so many breaks in play throughout the day this may not totally affect the game's fluency.
But having said so, umpiring is quite complex and trusting the 100% efficiency of any decision on DRS system is not viable. Simply because many sort of umpiring decisions will always be controversial, lbws, overstepping not checked 100% of times....etc.
DRS is good, has released pressure on umpires, but to expect that is going to be flawless is simply untrue. Firstly because it is handled by human beings and secondly because there are some decisions in which interpretation is inevitable and like points of view can depend on variable things
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